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Too bad that you can’t see that Paul believed in the pre-Tribulation rapture and told the church of Thessaloniki about the event that they were to hope for in 1 Thessalonians 4. The great joy of a vibrant, personal relationship with Jesus is looking for His appearance in the clouds and seeing the dead in Christ receive the9r glorified bodies, and then we who are Spirit-filled also receive our gloried bodies. The Bible also proves the pre-Tribulation rapture with Jesus words in John 14:1-4 coming to take us to our heavenly homes. The parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25 describes the ones who are truly known by Jesus the Lord God who excitedly and joyfully watch for our Bridegroom to rescue us from the wicked world. It is our Blessed Hope in Titus 2:11-13. The Holy Spirit is the Restrainer who will take us to heaven before the Antichrist is revealed in 2 Thessalonians 2. The victorious overcomers of the true church which is all over the world, not associated with any denomination just Bible reading and obeying Christ’s commands, are promised to be removed in Revelation 3:10-11 and the rapture is in Revelation 4:1 with us being up in heaven during chapters 4-5 to see what will take place aftee the Lamb of God opens the first seal. You can’t be joyous in Jesus if you think that Jesus is going to punish His bride with the wrath of God in the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls judgments. The Tribulation is for the salvation of the Jewish nation, and the 144,000 Jewish, male, virgin evangelists will also be making Tribulation saints who will be beheaded for their faith, but we will be in heaven. The Jewish wedding was seven days, and the bride of Christ will be getting married to Jesus for seven years. The Tribulation is Daniel’s 70th week and Jacob’s Trouble, not the church. Most churches of denominations are full of fornication and adultery and divorce and remarriage adultery, so they will be left behind. My YouTube channel is Walking by the Spirit Always, and I have lots of videos to prepare people for being caught up/harpazo/raptured. Blessings.
This is why I believe we will go through the tribulation yet will not be here for the wrath. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little.
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Praise God I am very joyous in Jesus knowing that He will purify His bride, separate the chaff from the wheat, and allow His Bride to go into the furnace to remove all dross and purify us like gold. I look for our blessed hope I certainly do and I am so excited for His return in the hour He removes us will be the very hour of temptation on this earth.
As it is written very clearly in the Revelation of Jesus Christ when the last trump sounds the dead in Christ rises i.e. the FIRST RESURRECTION and those that are alive will be caught up with them in the air, immediately as in the days of Lot when we are removed, as he was, then the WRATH OF GOD symbolized by the 7 vials/bowls will come down in succession. They will be taken by surprise those who are unrepented, but Lot was made aware as we will know as well. Not the day or hour but we will know the season we are in by the prophecies written aforetime for our understanding. Because we are children of the light and that day shall not overtake us as a thief because we will be watching. I believe it will be an hour in duration, the same hour the kings will be given by the anti-christ to reign to go to battle against Jesus.
There is NO MERCY NO GRACE IN THE WRATH OF GOD, BUT THERE IS IN THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. This is why when the wrath is poured out THEY WILL NOT REPENT BUT CURSE GOD KNOWING IT IS COMING FROM HIM! THERE IS NO REPENTANCE AFTER THE FIRST RESURRECTION AND BRIDE IS REMOVED IT IS DONE! We are gathered up in the barn so to speak and the tares are bundled up for the fire. BEFORE the harvest is placed in storage areas it must be THRESHED FIRST HAVE ALL CHAFF REMOVED not a fun process but everything that is not good that clings must be removed.
Nowhere did Apostle Paul teach a pre-tribulation rapture, he did explain to them concerning those who were teaching wrongly and causing confusion and fear in the body.
Paul was very clear that that day WILL NOT come until there come a falling away first (apostasy) takes place those leaving the truth of the Word of God and believing man’s traditions and faulty interpretations AND the MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED. When is the “man of sin” revealed? When he sits in the temple of God claiming himself to be God…that is when he is revealed. Yet, you seem to believe the Bride is gone before this, that is very wrong teaching and is putting assumption to scripture instead of reading it as it is written. That is very sad and breaks my heart.
There is no punishment from God for Jesus’ Bride! There is a purifying process but there is no punishment! The wrath of God IS NOT UNTIL the 7 BOWLS AFTER THE LAST TRUMPET is blown. Hence, “hide us from the wrath of the Lamb.” Please read it as it is written and in context, please be careful not to add ANYTHING to the Holy Word Of God. God was not punishing the three Hebrew children by allowing them to be thrown into the furnace, but through that account, He was showing us that He will be with us as He was with them if we are faithful to Him. He will protect us ad provide for us as well like He did the children of Israel during the plagues. BUT there will be a time that He will ALLOW THE ANTICHRIST TO OVERCOME THE SAINTS OF GOD! That is written in Daniel as well as Revelation. As Jesus said we will endure tribulations, we will be persecuted, we will be hated. There have been millions of believers that have been tortured and martyred for Christ are you claiming they are not part of the BRIDE because GOD WOULD NOT ALLOW THE BRIDE GO THROUGH SUCH A THING? We are not exempt this is not for punishment but for purifying we must understand that! Not everyone that says LORD LORD will enter in.
ONLY ONE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS does not happen in segments, it is on the LAST DAY Jesus taught this so clear, even Martha understood it clearly. Blessed are those in the FIRST RESURRECTION ON THE LAST DAY because that is for the righteous only. Also, there is NOT MORE THAN ONE LAST TRUMPET! That is absolutely ridiculous to even believe let alone teach!
Also please explain to me how Apostle Paul could have taught of an “imminent” any moment secret rapture, when for one when he was blinded on the road and was healed he was TOLD THE THINGS HE WOULD SUFFER how on earth could he teach let alone believe in any minute secret rapture? Later while in prison Jesus told him very specifically that he would be going to Rome and share the Gospel IN THE FUTURE?!!! He could not have taught such a thing unless he did not believe Jesus. Also, how could Peter have taught such a thing when he was told by Jesus that he would grow old and how he would die, and yet, teach a doctrine that said Jesus could come back any moment? How could John the writer of the Revelation of Jesus believe such a thing when he was told that he would prophesy to nations still?
Do you not see the error in your beliefs?
It is not a biblical doctrine it was a created doctrine to keep people from looking at the Pope. It is a fleshy doctrine that appeals to the flesh…
How can ANYONE say that the tribulation is only for the Jews? Jacob’s trouble is HISTORY! It happened AFTER THE DEATH< BURIAL< AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. In 70 AD millions upon millions were killed then dispersed them, their nation stripped from them, and their Temple utterly destroyed, not one stone left upon another the destruction was complete in 71 AD because Josephus tells us that in 70AD there were some JEWS in the Temple hiding. THEN the Bolshevik Revolution in 1918 happened, then the HOLOCAUST! Yet, NOW they have returned and are returning back to the land promised them and MANY TRUE BLOODLINE JEWS ARE BELIEVING IN ADONI YEHOSHUA HA MASHIACH!
“Chapter 30 continues, identifying the overall timeframe for this to occur: For it shall be in that day [the time of Jacob’s trouble], says YHWH of Hosts that I will break his yoke from your neck and will burst your bonds. And strangers [gentiles] shall no longer enslave him, but they shall serve YHWH their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up to them. And you, My servant Jacob, do not fear, says YHWH. Do not be terrified, O Israel. For behold, I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. (Jer. 30:8-10)
Often in biblical prophecy, there is a partial fulfillment while we wait for the final fulfillment. The overriding evidence of end-time prophecy is that Israel as a nation returns to the land in unbelief and then, in the land, God reveals Messiah Yeshua to them. So the scripture above talking about Israel serving God and David – most likely David’s greater Son, Yeshua – are still to come to pass, although the growth of the Israeli Messianic Body since 1967 is nothing short of miraculous.
According to those verses in Jeremiah, Jacob’s trouble occurs before Israel comes back to the land and before Israel becomes an independent nation again. Israel became a nation again in 1948. Did anything occur to Jacob’s descendants before 1948 that could qualify as Jacob’s trouble? While some believe that the whole 1,900-year exile can be seen as Jacob’s trouble – and there can be a good argument made for this – still the event that seems to be the climactic fulfillment was the demonically inspired Nazi Holocaust. Jacob’s trouble has been fulfilled.”
In the two Old Testament chapters listing the blessings and curses associated with God’s covenant, the final curse/judgment is exile. These two chapters deal with His chosen people, Israel, as a nation, not as individuals, and the ultimate threat is declared to be exile from Israel’s promised inheritance – the land – with the people being scattered among the gentiles/nations. Not only would this bring shame to the Jews, who would be forced to live among pagans in darkness, but they would also bring God’s name into disrepute – or as He says in Ezekiel 36:20-23, by their exile, they profane His name.
Here are the relevant verses from Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28.
But if you will not listen to Me, and will not do all these commandments; if you shall despise My statutes, or if your soul hates My judgments …so that you break My covenant, I will also do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, consumption, and burning fever, consuming the eyes and causing sorrow of heart… You shall perish among the gentiles, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. They that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in [exile]. Also, they shall pine away with them in the iniquities of their fathers. Yet if they shall confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their sin which they sinned against Me…If then [in exile] their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they then accept the punishment for their iniquity, then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac, and also My covenant with Abraham… And I will remember the land. The land also shall be forsaken by them, and shall enjoy its Sabbaths, while it lays waste without them…Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I hate them, to utterly destroy them and to break My covenant with them, for I am YHWH their God. But for their sakes, I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, so that I might be their God. I am YHWH.
It shall be, if you will not listen to the voice of YHWH your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, all these curses shall come on and overtake you…You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of the heavens for multitude because you would not obey the voice of YHWH your God. And it shall be, as YHWH rejoiced over you to do you good and to multiply you, so YHWH will rejoice over you to destroy you and to bring you to nothing. You shall be plucked from off the land where you go to possess it, and YHWH shall scatter you among all people…There shall you serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known…Among these nations, you shall find no ease…but YHWH shall give you there a trembling heart and failing of eyes and sorrow of mind. Your life shall hang in doubt before you, and you shall fear day and night, and shall have no assurance of your life.
Deuteronomy 28:15, 62-68
As you can see, these verses are a prophetic portrayal of what happened to the Jewish nation after the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple in 70 AD, and the total scattering of the nation in 135 AD. This also matches the sense of Jacob’s trouble mentioned in Jeremiah. We see that the worst curses/judgments waited for them in exile among the gentiles. The point is simply that for Israel as a nation – the ultimate judgment is exile. So should we expect God to change His method of dealing with Israel in the last days and save the worst, most horrific slaughter yet for when the Jews return home? For I am YHWH, I change not. Therefore, you sons of Jacob are not destroyed. (Mal. 3:6) God’s prophetic promises to do better for His people after He has regathered them, is being seen and marveled at in Israel today.
WE MUST READ THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD AS A WHOLE TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THE TRUTH! We must go to Him and ask Him to empty ourselves from all teaching from man all preconceived ideas and false interpretations and to teach us HIMSELF! He will! He taught ME and I am nobody special. I believed the false doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture until HE WOKE ME UP ONE MORNING IN 2017 AND STARTED OPENING UP THE ERROR OF MY BELIEFS. He did this after I prayed and prayed fasted and cried out not to be deceived through self-deception, worldly deception, or religious deception. I still pray that and since 2017 He alone has opened up the deception of this doctrine, the pagan holidays, women pastors and leaders in the Church, the Roman Catholic Church, Zionism, divorce and remarriage, and other false teachings. HE SHOWED ME HE TAUGHT ME NOT MAN.
Yet, you seem to believe that God is going to honor a newly rebuilt Temple and be concerned about “sacrifices” being stopped by an antichrist in the future? Are you in the belief that God will honor and be concerned that they can’t sacrifice animals? Jesus was THE LAST SACRIFICE THE PERFECT AND HOLY SACRIFICE and THE BRIDE OF CHRIST IS THE TEMPLE OF GOD! Not one made with hands!
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
By the temple of God, the apostle could not well mean the temple of Jerusalem, because he knew very well that would be totally destroyed within a few years. It is an observation of the learned Bochart, that after the death of Christ the temple at Jerusalem is never called by the apostles the temple of God; and that when they mention the house or temple of God, they mean the Christian Church in general, or every particular believer; which indeed is very evident from many passages in their epistles: see 1Ti_3:15; 1Co_6:19; 2Co_6:16; Eph_2:19-22; 1Pe_2:5. Besides, in the Revelation by St. John, which was written some years after the destruction of Jerusalem, there is mention made of men’s becoming pillars in the temple of God, (Rev_3:12,) which is a further proof that the sitting of the man of sin in the temple of God, by no means implies that he was to appear in the temple of Jerusalem. In short, the meaning of the verse is, that the wicked teachers, of whom the apostle speaks, would first oppose Christ by corrupting the doctrine of the gospel concerning him, and after that they would make void the government of God and of Christ in the Christian Church, and the government of the civil magistrate in the state, by arrogating to themselves the whole spiritual authority which belongs to Christ, and all the temporal authority belonging to princes and magistrates; showing himself that he is God — Exercising all the prerogatives of God, accepting such titles, and doing such things, as, if they indeed belonged to him, would show him to be God: an exact description certainly of the Papal power.
Please reread Daniel 9:27 in CONTEXT and with the other scripture where it tells us that Jesus will be cut off in the middle of the week! It is talking about JESUS CHRIST and He is the One that PUTS AN END TO THE SACRIFICE AND OBLATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AT THE CROSS! That scripture has NOTHING to do with the ANTICHRIST! NOTHING! When the great earthquake happened at the death of Jesus THAT ENDED THE SACRIFICES AND OBLATIONS ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT AT THE TEMPLE! History and the Bible are clear on that! The veil rent, rocks fell, after that, they could not use it again for sacrifices! It is in history written Josephus is a good one to read regarding that, as well as others.
The “last” week of Daniel was fulfilled, it started at the baptism that John was doing which was the baptism of repentance starting the 40 days of AWE or 40 days of REPENTANCE. This is why John said, I have need to be baptized by YOU. Jesus ministry began and in the middle of the last week/7 years He was cut off (crucified) which put an end to the sacrifices and oblation and the 7 years was completed at the death of Stephen when the Jews rejected the Gospel and the focus was turned to the Gentiles!
Jesus was baptized in 27 AD while in the wilderness for the 40 days of Awe/repentance He turned 30 on the Feast of Trumpets which is also the civil New Year making it 28 AD. After the 40 days were done which landed on the Day of Atonement and His fast completed at sundown Satan came and tempted Him on all points as we are tempted, the first was with food which at the close of the Day of Atonement is a great feast. Jesus refused and afterward the angels came and ministered (fed) to Him.
Daniel chapter 9 is about Jesus Christ with one exception part of 9:26 and the people (ROMANS) of the prince that shall come (FUTURE ANTICHRIST WILL COME FROM ROMAN EMPIRE, LIKELY EASTERN HALF I.E. TURKEY) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
That is it, the rest is about what our LORD and Savior will do, not the antichrist!
And he (JESUS) shall confirm the covenant (Covenant of grace) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (no more temple sacrifice He is the LAST SACRIFICE BY HIS DEATH), and for the overspreading of abominations (FOR ALL THE IDOLATRY THEY WERE DOING) he (JESUS) shall make it desolate (NOT ONE STONE LEFT UPON ANOTHER), even until the consummation (UNTIL THE END!), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I cannot convince you nor will I try that is the Holy Spirit’s work, not mine, mine is to show you in scripture the error of the doctrine. That does not mean I do not love you, nor you are not saved, or that I am better. Every one of us are on different levels in our walk with Christ not one is better than another nor is one more knowledgeable it is all in His timing when He begins to open things up to each of us.
I once believed this and as the LORD began to show me I cried greatly for days learning the lies I had believed and taught people! He had to reteach me how to literally read the scriptures as written without interjecting my beliefs into the Word. Now when I read the holy Scriptures I am amazed at how clear they teach we will not “escape” the tribulation but we will be protected and sustained by God through it until a certain point then we will be overcome by the man of sin.
I do not do any self-promotion nor am I interested in doing such. Everything is about Jesus and everything I am concerned about is pointing to Him. If things I say or post make others dig deeper in the Word of God then that is all that is needed. We are to be as noble as the Bereans and not dispute but to search the scriptures to see if this is so. Once He opens it up and we have spent the appropriate amount of time studying it out then we can share it.
Love In Christ,
Pamela JoyousNJesus McDonald